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don't you but you can say something

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about the question which you really

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would wish to know the answer to and I

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mean for me it would be what

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what's consciousness because that's

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that's totally baffling not that you

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asked but what I think on this is a

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consciousness has kind of baffled us for

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a while okay and evidence that we

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haven't a clue about what consciousness

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is is drawn from the in from the fact of

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how many books are published on the

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topic right we're not really continuing

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to publish books not really on like

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Newtonian physics it's done all right so

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so the fact that people keep publishing

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books on consciousness is the evidence

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we don't know anything about it because

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if we knew all about it

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you wouldn't have to be published so so

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what I wonder

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really is no such thing as consciousness

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at all and that there's some other

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understanding of the functioning of the

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human brain that renders that question

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obsolete to that I gotta say like what

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is so funny about that of course that

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last voice was Bill Nye the Science Guy

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he was astonished and Bill was

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astonished I mean the idea that maybe

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consciousness is not there it's probably

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the weirdest stupidest idea ever

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conceived by human thoughts I mean where

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does thought take place it takes place

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in consciousness so here we have

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consciousness speculating about the

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possibility that consciousness does not

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exist and it may not be there I mean the

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very thought is that in your face

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contradiction and the fact that

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something like this is not only

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seriously entertained but even

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verbalized by a person with the public

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exposure of the gentleman we just saw is

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is a worrying sign of cultural thickness

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a very serious one you know the other

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thing that got me and I hope you dis

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comment on because you are a philosopher

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and an expert in logic and you've your

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books you do a wonderful job of

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deconstructing this silliness down to a

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level that is extremely comprehensive

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and well thought out but I love thing I

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thought was just stunning you know I

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mean what kind of logic is that they're

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not writing any books about physics

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they're not ready and he's saying no

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Tony is I mean I think

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first of all books you mean papers don't

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you mean peer review published papers

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and aren't they doing a lot of work I'm

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gravity and you know issues in physics

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that are central to preposterous just

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again it's just really really funny but

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to his credit he did say the laws in

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Newtonian laws so classical Newtonian

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physics but but given that given that I

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mean this is I guess kind of interesting

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in that we build on these laws right so

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no one has said that the laws of

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Newtonian physics are quote-unquote

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wrong they're just incomplete they just

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describe a certain aspect of what we

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observe and the same could be said for

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this insistence that consciousness is

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physical biological a brain-based all

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those things are not wrong per se

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they're just incomplete in terms of our

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understanding of consciousness if

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consciousness is as we'll talk about

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somehow fundamental then everything gets

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turned on its head but that doesn't mean

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that there aren't some neural correlates

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to consciousness and ground function so

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that's where I think it's it's just it

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just shows a deep misunderstanding I

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guess would be generous or of of what

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they're really talking about when he

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talks about conscious I think I think

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what motivates even the question because

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you see how they how they formulated the

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question how Richard Dawkins formulated

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the question he said what is

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consciousness and what they're trying to

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get at is a reduction what you're trying

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to answer the form of the answer they

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are looking for is consciousness is just

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this doesn't that operate in this that

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way under this and that condition in

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other words they're trying to explain

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consciousness in terms of something else

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in terms of something that isn't

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consciousness that would be the answer

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to the question what is consciousness

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and and that is indeed a baffling

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question because you see who is trying

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to answer it is consciousness that is

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trying to answer

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so you get a self reference there that

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makes the question indeed very baffling

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if you are framing it that way if you're

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trying to reduce consciousness and

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that's why it goes wrong nobody well

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very few people have stopped to think

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that maybe we shouldn't formulate the

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question that way maybe what we have to

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ask is how can we explain everything

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else in terms of consciousness which is

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the given of reality it's the the basis